Battalion Chief for EMS, PD, Boat stations

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    • Battalion Chief for EMS, PD, Boat stations

      With the addition of the EMS Rescue, it would be a good idea to carry that over with an EMS Battalion, as well as one for the boat stations. The aircraft hijack call requires a Battalion as well, so I’d even make the argument to include it on the PD as well.

      I’m doing FDNY and with the marine response, the marine battalion responds and is stationed where the boat docks are, along with utility units and trailers (already available for that station type). That is just one example, I’m sure many other departments with a marine unit do a similar thing.

      EMS would act as a supervisor, having the ability to treat like a fly car, as ALS, as well as battalion duties.

      Same for PD, where the Battalion would be like the shift supervisor/Sargent.

      I didn’t see a post about this, my apologies if there was one already.

      Thank you for the consideration.

      Crap...probably should have posted in suggestions for improvements
      IAFF Local 4417

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    • I agree with having Battalion Chiefs for the other emergency services branch, but after thinking for a little bit, I'm trying to come up with some practical uses for having them and at what capacity they would serve.

      For EMS, yes you have chiefs, but what would they really do other than serve the same purpose as maybe a fly-car?
      For PD, again, yes you can have chiefs, but for incidents requiring a command units, you already have the MCVs.
      For Boats, you again have mcv for any type of command post.

      Maybe we could inquire about bringing MCVs to all of the emergency service branches, but a simple chief is difficult to find a purpose that it'll serve; almost seems like it would be a waste of time and resources for Sebastian to implement it.
      T. Wise
      Commissioner of Emergency Operations
      South Central PA | MissionChief Alliance
      Serving South Central, PA and Delaware
    • So the difficulty with this is there's discussion, particularly with police, on whether it should be the staff number rather than the vehicle itself that counts.

      For EMS, I'm not a fan of an scene commander being involved with treating, their role is to coordinate the response, not get involved with individual treatment.

      It could be the person/vehicle would be required when a certain number of patients are reached from a single incident.

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    • me181 wrote:

      So the difficulty with this is there's discussion, particularly with police, on whether it should be the staff number rather than the vehicle itself that counts.

      For EMS, I'm not a fan of an scene commander being involved with treating, their role is to coordinate the response, not get involved with individual treatment.
      It could be that the person/vehicle would be required when a certain number of patients are reached from a single incident.
      Other than the example you gave for EMS, I can't think of anything else. Like you said, an EMS chief for something other than triage, maybe, would be beneficial.
      T. Wise
      Commissioner of Emergency Operations
      South Central PA | MissionChief Alliance
      Serving South Central, PA and Delaware
    • supd6330 wrote:

      Other than the example you gave for EMS, I can't think of anything else. Like you said, an EMS chief for something other than triage, maybe, would be beneficial.
      So the various roles available are:

      Scene/Incident commander - coordinates response and scene, liases with other agencies. Triage shouldn't need an EMS provider.
      This could be implemented in the shape of another vehicle requiring a trained person, when over 2 casualties are present.
      This however goes back to the old debate on EMS schools with training EMS personnel.

      Doctor/Advanced Paramedic - gives advanced lifesaving interventions on scene. Although the relevance to the US is questionable. Again there would have to be a purpose, as in requirement by certain patients.

      It's not simple with either of the roles given as the actual implementation could be a complete headache. I do support the ideas, but a clear consensus needs to be reached.
    • Command units for both EMS and Police are planned as said above. Sergeants for police will likely be a training rather than a vehicle so that you can have a SWAT Sergeant, K9 Sergeant etc.

      As for EMS there will be EMS chiefs coming hopefully soon. The plan is for these to be required on missions with a certain number of casualties or more such as 12 and above rather than just count as a battalion chief. They will also be able to act as a flycar to treat patients when not being used for MCI’s.
    • TACRfan wrote:

      Command units for both EMS and Police are planned as said above. Sergeants for police will likely be a training rather than a vehicle so that you can have a SWAT Sergeant, K9 Sergeant etc.

      As for EMS there will be EMS chiefs coming hopefully soon. The plan is for these to be required on missions with a certain number of casualties or more such as 12 and above rather than just count as a battalion chief. They will also be able to act as a flycar to treat patients when not being used for MCI’s.
      Sounds good but I’m not sure if the use of police or EMS command units. Maybe someone can explain. Do these serve as command units for an entire scene or just police operations etc with fire and ems having their own.

      Also it’s nice to see some transparency around here for once. I’m pretty sure all this is nothing new and has been mentioned before but it’s nice to know how things are progressing every now and then.
    • So the command units allow a ground commander to have a better overview and more tools at hand to make his job easier, so to speak. They take some of the pressure of the main dispatch centre as they'll co-ordinate for one specific area. They're particularly useful in cases where something is to be expected, such as a concert or football match, as they take some setting up.
    • There's been a big push for the different services ground commanders (bronze command we'd call them) in the UK being together at more complicated scenes. They work cooperatively to ensure that all the services have the information needed to operate in their role. It came out of a specific programme (JESIP - google it if you're bored) a few years back. With all the commanders (EMS, Fire, Police, Rescue) having had the same training it seems to have improved things. They'd control their own assets but have the ability to ask/assist with taskings for others.