New HART Fleet

  • The new HART fleet are starting to roll out in England & Wales.


    Each team will have five Incident Response Units, on MAN chassis with a box body functionally similar to the secondaries and replacing both them and the primaries.


    There's an additional Hilux for each team, also badged as an IRU which isn't a PRV and is supposed to be used to provide off-road capability in addition to the Polaris.


    I don't know if anyone has quite decided how they'll be deployed (with the old units, a team would be typically split into two pods with a primary & secondary each).


    Is it too much to hope the devs are going to update the HART mechanic in the game?

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  • I would imagine with THIS FOI RESPONSE that the devs would have enough information to adjust a few of the vehicles. The difficulty lies in what they do about existing vehicles.


    In terms of in-game role, I could see the new MAN IRUs being created as a dual-purpose PRV-SRV, at double the cost and with a rank restriction such as "captain" (Why they won't change it to UK firefighter ranks I do not know), to allow players the option of old vs new in terms of the main response vehicles.


    For the new 4x4 vehicle, I would like to see a combination vehicle which is ambulance + the fire service 4x4 introduced in the swift water rescue update. The FOI states it has "limited patient carrying capacity" and would NOT be used to replace the Polaris (as per renalmedic 's initial post).


    I do not see the need to add a separate covert crew carrier, this can be done using graphics. All other vehicles would be fine to remain the same in regards to this new change in the NARU/HART fleet. I do not see any need to change training as HART training would no doubt cover the use of both new vehicles - however I could see the Devs making a choice to require the 4x4 to require Swift water rescue / technical rescue training as they do like to overcomplicate things - I am against that happening.


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    I do not see any mention of crew capacity - at present the PRV & SRV each carry 2 crew members. I have found a video of the new MAN IRU responding which has been incorrectly identified as a SRV. It appears to show a crew of 2 and also a gap where a third seat may have been before the vehicle was converted for use in HART.


    I suspect crewing will remain at 2 persons for the vehicle and there may be more use of the crew carriers - perhaps this could be reflected in the game as a requirement for a minimum of 4 HART personnel at incidents requiring both the PRV & SRV, and 8 required at incidents requiring 2 of each.

  • I suspect crewing will remain at 2 persons for the vehicle and there may be more use of the crew carriers - perhaps this could be reflected in the game as a requirement for a minimum of 4 HART personnel at incidents requiring both the PRV & SRV, and 8 required at incidents requiring 2 of each.

    Realistically, most HART jobs are either attended by 1 (on a primary), 3 (in a pod) or 6 operatives. Each team only has 6 on duty (although staffing has always been a problem).


    HART is hard to model in a game like MC; realistically, they'd be sending 3 people to each persons reported fire and 6 to all the height, hazmat and water jobs and something to all the bus and multi-cas jobs. But, by virtue of it being a game those jobs are massively over-represented.

  • I would like to see hart have water capabilities as they do perform this.

    I have requested fire officer ranking several times but mission chief have failed to do this. Or even give an explanation as to why. It is very realistic and every other service has ranking so I don’t see why not.

  • I would like to see hart have water capabilities as they do perform this.

    I have requested fire officer ranking several times but mission chief have failed to do this. Or even give an explanation as to why. It is very realistic and every other service has ranking so I don’t see why not.

    I agree about the water capabilities but this thread isn’t about fire officers - suggest you create a new thread to discuss that unless there is a relevant and recently active one already.

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