Change unit manpower

all these have been asked for in the past and we have been told over and over that the developers were not changing them. I would however agree to it being nice to have the option to put more on a HEAVY or a Truck to try and match the manpower on those units in real life such as the 6 person Minimum. Heck, back when I was in VA and volunteering we would often travel to Bethesda MD and ride on BCCRS Rescue 19 and very often it went out the door with 8-10 folks on it.

Just because a vehicle has a certain number of seats doesn't mean anything. I know companies that run 8 seat engines but only run 4 regularly on them

Here is the previous attempt by me to (re)change the staffing levels

Thread

Re-introduce the previous crew increases for apparatus

Back towards the beginning of July crew sizes were increased as follows (from what I remember)
Engines from 6>10
Rescues 4>6

Trucks 3>6
Rescue Engines/Quints 6>10

I understand that they were removed due to people having issues with how they were implemented (Vehicle crews). If there was a way for them to be re-implemented so that pre-existing apparatus wouldn't be affected by default there shouldn't be as many issues.

Teddy_Salad

December 30, 2021 at 7:57 PM

Quote from Epsilon

I know this has been brought up before, primarily in regards to platform trucks only have 3 people, but I think that it extends to other vehicle types as well. This is a comprehensive list of every vehicle type that I think should have different manpower, please let me know what you think and if anything should be different

FIRE:

• Type 2 Fire Engine, currently 3 max - change to 4 max. Type 2s are typically 4 seaters, very very few are 3 seaters.
• Type 6 Engine, currently 2 max - change to 4 max. Type 6s are typically 4 seaters.
• Foam Tender, currently 2 min - change to 1 min. Why is foam tender minimum of 2 but water tanker is minimum of 1, change either one to fit the other.
• Platform Truck, currently 3 max - change to 6 max. Per NFPA 1710, 4 members are required to meet the standard for engines and ladders. Most trucks are designed with 6 seats.
• Heavy Rescue Vehicle, currently 4 max - change to 6 max. Many walk-in rescues can seat 6 or more. Many custom cab rescues can seat 6.
• Hazmat, currently 6 max - change to 2 min, keep 6 max. There would never be a hazmat team entering a hot zone with 1 member, change to 2.

EMS

• BLS Ambulance, currently 2 max - change to 3 max. Plenty of BLS ambulances roll with 3, either 2 EMT-Bs and an EMR driver or 3 EMT-Bs.
• Critical Care Transport Unit, currently 2 min - change to 4 min. Typically have a paramedic, a physician, a critical care paramedic, and a critical care nurse or a doctor on board.

I think police is fine for the most part. Although I would like to see police stations be built with 5 people instead of 2, same thing with EMS stations.

Hazmat - some departments might use only 1 person to drive the "HazMat" vehicle to the scene while the other trained personnel are in other units (Ie. FDNY Squads/HMTUs)

Critical Care - I have never seen a ground ambulance with a staffed physician. I know of aircraft with them. The ambulance service I work for runs Critical Care units that have 1 Critical Care Paramedic and 1 EMT/AEMT/Paramedic

I am not sure why this keeps coming up? Has been discussed many times. EMS-Chief clearly explains what has transpired. It is not going to change.

At this point I feel like something about it needs to pinned in the suggestions with how often it comes up.

As much as I would like it to return, as both him and TACRfan have said, it is almost guaranteedly not returning.