Aren't Type 3 Engines able to do both?
Yes, they can. I have forestry only stations, and send my type 3's as "closest available" first due structure fire near those stations.
Posts by dgsmith67
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that has nothing to do with my question. it does not explain what the word light means in that line, boden are you just posting to post? seems you always answer nearly every question whether you know the answer or not. looks to me you're padding your stats to gain rank I noticed that a few years ago when you first joined the forums...
Dude, no need to get personal here, calling someone out by name. He tried to answer your question. You have an issue with someone, take it off board, rest of us don't want to or need to see it.
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Nothing to do with "Emergency Responses"
Unless you live in that state where they can run lights & sirens on tow vehicles... Can you imagine running 'hot' to change a flat?
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Not trying to be dis-respectful/rude or anything, just think you meant to say actions have consequences. again not trying to be dis-respectul or rude but just doesn't make sense that's all
But... It didn't need to be pointed out publically. The point was conveyed, you knew what was meant, we knew what was meant. A private message would have been more appropriate.
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Yeah I found out about it from Ron Pratt on youtube. He runs a tow company out of Missouri and they run code sometimes.
Missouri Emergency Vehicle Light State Statutes - Extreme Tactical Dynamics
Remind me to never go to Missouri if that is the case. Creates 'siren fatigue and desensitizes people to emergency vehicle lights and sirens, because I can assure you, some operators will make every tow call an 'emergency' so they can play with those 'toys'.
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Well yes but we already have that confusion with engines so there really is no limit as to what can happen. Like I said before, if we can have 7 different types of engines then we can have 4 ladders
In real life, NFPA designates those 7 types of engines, so they are carried over to here. There are really two types of aerial units: those with on-board water/pump capacity (quint); and those without that capability (platform/ladder/tiller ladder).
LA County, iirc, has both tiller and 'standard' quints in their arsenal. With the 3 options presented in the game (quint, platform, and tiller trailer), any need for an aerial can be met.
I use different graphics for each of my aerials to 'distinguish' them. That is one way to accomplish what you want.
I can't see the devs actually factoring in any type of height for the Skyscraper POI, it isn't necessary.
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Here is a question on dispatch centers. I recently increased the number of Dispatch Centers to be somewhat regional in the state and divided resources appropriately. But I am seeing now that you can assign the dispatch center a dispatcher center? What should I do with that?
ChiefBoden61 -- Apparently dispatch centers need dispatchers to assign calls for them to dispatch?
I would guess, because the game uses the same screen for building any type of building, that option is hard coded in.
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I must say, telling people to use the PAID credits to get around this is a cop-out. I don't feel like spending $100s on this game and I should not be punished for that, neither should anyone else. It's just a way to force people to buy the credits. I get the argument is to "keep it challenging" but this is a little browser game with a niche community. No one should have to pay to win here because the game makes it too hard to expand after a certain point if you're not sitting here trying to grind away all the time.
In real life, all fire stations are not the same cost all the time. Why should it be any different in the game?
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I have a few suggestions regarding platform trucks. My first is to rename then ladder trucks. My second is to move them into a new section called “ladders” along with the quint and have a few different ladder sizes. For example, quint=60 feet, ladder 1=100 feet, tiller=120 feet. My reasoning for this is because of the new urban specialization which could have tall buildings like skyscrapers that may need a tiller to reach a certain height
I get the fact it adds more realism... It also complicates things. Since a skyscraper does not have a defined height on the game, a quint or platform performs the same function. They also implemented a tiller trailer option which performs the same as a platform truck.
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just send the HEMS if you want - if it transports - you get extra credits
I auto-launch them anyway, I can always cancel them
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Currently the mission Spawn area is limited to a circle. For a station in some sort of unique location such as an island or narrow peninsula, or simply along the coast line like in up and down A1A in Florida, even reducing is to 5 leaves a large portion of the spawn area in the water. Even if you do have the lifeguard extensions, they would not go that far from shore in real life. Yes, you can adjust the circle inland after reducing the area size but then it often overlaps into another station area. I suggest having the option to change the coverage area to a "square" and "rectangle" that is adjustable by dragging the corners to make it meet the area you are covering.
Now, to totally throw a monkey wrench into the works... Why not base the spawn area on ZIP code or township boundaries? Open Street Map has that data available (I think), and it would allow players to more realistically cover their territories. It would be even better if we could "freeform" coverage areas for those towns/cities that don't conform to rectangle, square, or circular boundaries (that would be a nightmare to code, though).
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Introduction
While I do not find myself to be a complainer every often there are times where I feel it is best that the powers that be (despite not using the forums for feedback very much) hear the remarks of the people. Apart from my own feedback that I will be listing below, I do encourage all readers to give there feedback good, bad and ugly. And to mods in charge of approving posts while I am aware of the State Your Game Issues/Complaints thread, I feel like this update has enough issues to warrant it's own cumulative thread.
Community Engagement
- On August 27th when they first showed us this prospective feature on the Facebook there were 7 comments critical of cost aspect of the update. That was 25% of the total comments on that post.
- The latest Facebook post regarding the update has 41 comments, and to my count 24 of them were critical of this update. Over 58% of the comments are negatively talking about your update and we hear nothing from the developers themselves.
- To that point here on the forums, in the threads I have looked through there are countless comments on how poorly implemented this update was...
Community Feedback
- Use of the specializations in the first place, as opposed to a setting within the station, was a missed opportunity for a good Quality of Life update.
- While yes, 50,000 is on par with the rest of the specializations, the shear amount of this specialization that would be needed for players looking to play realistically makes that even a as static price insanely high for players.
- However, even as a specialization, the use of the standard game logarithm to increase the price with increased usage makes it impractical for long time players to retroactively use.
- The developers have continually ignored the feedback provided from the reaches of this community, and I assume they have ignored the Content Advisors as well (please tell me if I am wrong in that regard though).
Personal Thoughts and Conclusions
While I find this update to be a misstep by the developers I do NOT think that it's unrecoverable. There are ways for the team to move past this while also adding a feature that we can greatly benefit from if it is implemented correctly. And yes, this post is critical however, I do not intend for it throw hate at the developers. I want them to see that the vast majority of us love this idea but dislike how it was added into the game.
- First and for most make a setting within the Edit Station menu with three options: Standard, Urban and Rural
- Sure there are users who have spent countless credits and coins on this update already, those users can likely be refunded... The Transactions menu does have 43 pages worth of data, not to mention the developers could allow temporary access by all users of the Summary Day menu to show their proof of purchase.
- If the developers feel this is inquinate then they would look into Double Credit Events, Building Credit Cost Reduction Event, Ect.
- Please read any comments and see what they have to say. While I did try and get the overall annoyance it's a good possibility that I missed something, or that there are good ideas by other users as well.
What edubbs15 said...
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I would suspect that the changes were added due to complaints about missions spawning where they do not belong such as a high rise fire in the middle of a forest land. Just don't think it turned out quite like we wanted it
That would be a (slight) understatement, ChiefBoden61... At the risk of upsetting the devs, I have yet to see any of these changes that have actually benefitted the players of the game. All of them end up costing players in some form (points of coins), especially if they spawn missions that require the changes to be implemented (traffic control, etc.). Not to mention how complicated it makes game play for new players that have no clue about Emergency Services and how they really operate.
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Seems the specializations are redundant, especially if you use extensions to allow for both (i.e. fire fighting & wildfire) missions on the same station. Using type 3 engines with those extensions, which can satisfy the requirements for a "first-due" on a structure fire, would accomplish the same thing and would also allow for both types of missions to drop.
Maybe I'm overthinking this... The devs MUST have some grand plan in mind (or have lost touch with reality)...
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you are going to need more forestry extensions
Better than needing a bigger boat...
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My suggestion is to change the number of patrol cars required for a mission to number of officers required. There are alot of agencies (LA City and County, NYPD, Pittsburgh, San Francisco) that run mostly 2 man patrol cars. By the game's current logic requiring 3 patrol cars for a burglar alarm is actually sending 6 officers if the player is using 2 man cars. If 3 patrol officers were required you would only need to send 1-2 cars out for it.
But... there are a lot of agencies (rural areas, like my region) that only run single officer units (county sheriff or state police in my case), so the only way to send the required manpower is to send multiple units to the call. So, that call requiring three cars, would be sending three officers.
I know some play this as a real life scenario, while some (like myself) have no attachment to reality when it comes to their setup.
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So, ultimately the request is to be able to add the Foam Tank Equipment to
Type 1 Pumpers, Type 2 Pumpers, Type 3 Pumpers, Type 5 Pumpers, Type 6 Pumpers, Type 7 Pumpers, Rescue Engines and Quints?
Note: This is already an available equipment add-on for Pumper Tankers.
Pardon my ignorance, but Type 1, Type 3, rescue engine, pumper tanker, and quints all carry 25 gallons of foam already, correct? Is there a need, short of a major hazmat incident, to have that much foam onsite IRL? I'd rather send either a foam tender or trailer to anything that needs a lot, but I'm in an alternate universe with my setup.
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That's an ambulance engine that all of like 5 departments have across the globe. What myself and others have brought forward multiple times in the past is Paramedic Engines that are used across the states as ALS intercept for private bls services
I have a really dumb question here: if you have a Paramedic (or Paramedic Assessment) Engine for these calls, and the patient DOES require ambo transport for an ALS issue, and you are using BLS ambos, does that mean the Paramedic Engine has to now follow the BLS ambo to the hospital?
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I would think it would have to be an extension. Otherwise the game would not know you are sending an Engine with ALS capabilities. If that is the case, sending one would not be any different than a regular engine without some sort of extension that recognizes ALS capabilities.... Like Foam extension for example..
It appears to me that if you send anything involving EMS, even after the apparatus arrives on scene and starts 'treatment', the mission will not start the timer for the patient UNTIL an ambulance arrives, even if it's just an Alpha response. ChiefBoden61 is correct, IMO, that it would need an extension to start the timer for the mission to complete.
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That engine is an als engine that transports patients. It acts as an als ambulance and engine. They added that because some departments have a fire engine that transports people. That as said before is not what is being talked about. We are talking about trying to get equipment added to the game that will allow any fire apparatus to treat a patient without the need of an ALS ambulance.
Add a Fly-Car and tag it as a "Squad" or medic unit, or use an EMS Rescue. Then, you can send BLS ambulances for transport, as either the Fly-Car or EMS Rescue will follow to the hospital. The EMS 'Pumpulance' just doesn't seem to be practical for anything, IMO.
