Yeah, I think the CBRNe + HazMat is a fair comparison. We've seen time and time again having overlap between services isn't an issue.
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what i was trying to say is they wont add units that solely scotland has espeicaly if they are required for missions as it will break most set ups
Could be an optional thing? Just as missions require CBRNe or HazMat you could have Fire Water Rescue or SORT/HART Water Rescue.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say, I think there are a couple of typos or something.
What I'm more trying to say is right now it seems everything is solely based on England and Wales' systems, while this is for the entire UK. I think more attention could be placed not just on those two regions.
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So I am one of the Ambulance advisors and my background is also coastguard rescue.
So in terms of HART/SORT and water rescue..
HART are not a dedicated rescue service, in the event of water/cliff/mud rescue they would simply embed themselves into rescue teams from Fire, HMCG, Lowland SAR etc.
HART carry their water rescue PPE and equipment on their response vehicles, in terms of MCUK these would be the PRVs and SRVs.
There is no requirement to look into water rescue for the Ambulance service/HART in MCUK.
Water rescue will be looked at in the game for the Fire service and there are plans to hopefully in the future look at Coastguard Rescue and Lifeboats.
If this covers the entire UK does it not make sense to have the appropriate units available for each country within the UK? SORT (Scotland's SORT) should be represented just as much as England + Wales' HART/SORT teams are. It seems things like this are very focused on England and Wales' systems and teams.
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HART/SORT is responsible for many things, swift water rescue is part of their skill set and they don’t necessarily have a specific vehicle for it, some trusts me, however most have the vehicles equipped to deal with everything from terrorism to water. If they are out of station e.g. returning from a call they need to be able to divert to a new incident and if they had to go back to the station to swap a vehicle that would cause issues irl.
SORT in Scotland does have dedicated Water Rescue Units, not sure which SORT you're referring to but thought I'd bring it up again. (pic attached once again).
This is a major part of Scotland's SORT, which is just as important as HART. Since these Water Rescue units are important to an entire country it makes sense to have a dedicated vehicle.
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Oh nice, thanks for clueing me in.
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Oh right, I'm fairly new to forums so I don't know a lot about who's who yet. However, I thought making an account to chip in with ideas and stuff would be a good idea since I have a fairly expansive knowledge of the Scottish Ambulance Service (Specifically SORT).
I've been really happy with how quick I've gotten responses and how interactive the Staff has been and I hope I can bring some good ideas and opinions to the table.
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That's a fair point, I do hope something this could be added with or soon after Fire's Water Rescue, as it is something exercised by HART and SORT fairly regularly.
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On the topic of Water Rescue, would there be any chance of HART/SORT teams getting a form of this? I'm not sure for HART but here in Scotland SORT's Water Rescue units (attached) are integral to the service. However, I'm not sure if this would just be denied due to it being somewhat a replicated version of Fire & Rescue's Unit. And while I could understand that point of view it would also be fairly useful to have SORT teams immediately on-scene after conducting a Water Rescue, it adds to the realism in a way and wouldn't need too much work put into it once Fire & Rescue have gotten the basics of it done for them.
I don't know if this would be perceived as some gimmicky specialist unit though, which is why I bring it up.
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SORT, Special Operations Response Team is the Scottish version of both branches of resilience teams in England.
In Scotland SORT responds to almost any call where they may be needed. So this ranges from the major incidents like the Stonehaven train derailment last year to basic RTAs and even difficult extractions which could be at height working or just difficult due to the access. They would also respond to any terror related incident.
Not just that they are also used as a normal response unit if they are the closest so it is not unusual to see them turning up and dealing with slips, trips and falls.
They are also water rescue trained, hazmat trained, enclosed spaces and a whole host of other aspects for them.
We have 3 fulltime units in Dundee, Edinburgh and Paisley there are also a few part time units but I'm struggling to confirm locations of these just now, I believe 1 is Stirling as often see some of the larger resilience units there.
To correct you, SORT has three full-time bases in Aberdeen (Bridge Of Don), Edinburgh (Newbridge) and Glasgow (Johnstone). With 3 smaller on-call bases at Inverness, Dumfries + Dundee.
