Logistical support and hazmat pumpers

  • Going over recent major fires with in NSW and surrounds lately and I have been seeing a lot of these fires having Logistical support vehicles being responded to them. Like any service in the world logistics make or break a service and emergency services are no different.

    Logistical support units for fire would act similar to the riot equipment transport unit. It will transport extra miscellaneous equipment needed for fires and other major events. It will add to the realism for the game and logistical supports are not 1 state orientated as they exist for all states and territories. Another use for the future is vehicle repair or removal. I've been seeing and hearing about the possibilities of vehicles either needing service/repairs or replacement in the future. You can make a mechanical logistical support vehicle to do that as a mission to add to things you can do within the game. I have seen these in work on fire grounds myself and had them service the trucks I were on at said incidents and it would be a great opportunity for the game.

    I believe the topic of Hazmat pumpers has come up before but I am not 100% sure. I have asked around to firefighters from all states and territories within in Australia and I can safely confirm QLD, NSW, VIC, WA and SA carry Hazmat gear from a basic lvl to specific pumpers carrying more specialized gear. It simply adds something else to do within in the game and allows for players building in Rural areas where services won't commit dedicated hazmats to use hazmat pumpers. The next town over from me has a Hazmat Tanker which is responded to all hazmat jobs within a 2 hour radius.

    I can understand if hazmat pumpers are a no but I think the logistical support would be a fantastic addition to the game.

  • Simply re label your Batallion chief's vehicles to logistics and set them to own class turnout set a custom button label called logistics, and set them for large event turnouts.

    The idea is correct however Australia does not have battalion chiefs.

  • Except logistic vehicles are not that. They are there own thing which do there own job. Support vehicles are a IC vehicle not logistics support

    He is correct in what he is saying. It will add a new class of vehicle since he is customizing it. However, since none of those units are required, he is basically sending another unit with the name change.. for Instance, if he names a battalion chief vehicle support 1, he can send it, but there is no category requiring that on a call, so it will just be credited as a battalion chief.

  • He is correct in what he is saying. It will add a new class of vehicle since he is customizing it. However, since none of those units are required, he is basically sending another unit with the name change.. for Instance, if he names a battalion chief vehicle support 1, he can send it, but there is no category requiring that on a call, so it will just be credited as a battalion chief.

    Except it isn't. It is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested a entirely new vehicle to do its own job. changing a unit name that is doing a completely different job is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested this for AU and in AU IRL Logistical vehicles have their own purpose which I have stated above.

  • Except it isn't. It is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested a entirely new vehicle to do its own job. changing a unit name that is doing a completely different job is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested this for AU and in AU IRL Logistical vehicles have their own purpose which I have stated above.


    This is the type of vehicle you are suggesting isn’t it?

  • I see what you mean, in New Zealand we have Operational Support trucks that incorporate this , As there is no option for this I have simply built these assets by relabeling Bat Chiefs and building turnout buttons labelled logistics or mobile Kitchen etc for large-scale events.

  • Except it isn't. It is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested a entirely new vehicle to do its own job. changing a unit name that is doing a completely different job is not what I have suggested at all. I have suggested this for AU and in AU IRL Logistical vehicles have their own purpose which I have stated above.

    What you need to understand is its impossible to put indeterminate vehicles into the game. We constantly have people suggesting vehicles that only apply to NSW and seeing this is an Australian based platform not purely a NSW based one, we wont see these types of vehicles. That's why there is no police rescue and the likes. Even with the latest content you will note we had to find a nondescript name because every state calls theirs something different, i had to interview people in different states to get an idea of how their organisations worked ( again because they're all different) and try to combine it into something somewhat realistic for all states. That's also why there wont be lifeguard component as such because some states dont have them at all and some programs are run by the local council and so on.

    So whilst i understand your quest for realism, expecting vehicles to be added purely for NSW's sake just isnt able to happen. We can't draw a big red line around the state and say these vehicles are only available here and nowhere else. So the suggestion above is a valid one to enable you to achieve what you want to, if you chose to.

  • So I did some looking, a found that at least 2 other stats have the Logistics Vehicles:


    SA


    and ACT


    With that being said, it's something that can be looked at for a future release, the vehicle itself may not need to be mandatory on calls, it can act as an optimiser to help increase the speed of the call finishing. Thus, for those who do not have that vehicle (and are building realistically), they aren't required to have it.

  • Those vehicles in SA are essentially support vehicles which we already have and are only in very remote areas like Roxby Downs and Coober Pedy!

    https://www.fire-brigade.asn.a…e=SACFS&Station_Code=COOB

  • What you need to understand is its impossible to put indeterminate vehicles into the game. We constantly have people suggesting vehicles that only apply to NSW and seeing this is an Australian based platform not purely a NSW based one, we wont see these types of vehicles. That's why there is no police rescue and the likes. Even with the latest content you will note we had to find a nondescript name because every state calls theirs something different, i had to interview people in different states to get an idea of how their organisations worked ( again because they're all different) and try to combine it into something somewhat realistic for all states. That's also why there wont be lifeguard component as such because some states dont have them at all and some programs are run by the local council and so on.

    So whilst i understand your quest for realism, expecting vehicles to be added purely for NSW's sake just isnt able to happen. We can't draw a big red line around the state and say these vehicles are only available here and nowhere else. So the suggestion above is a valid one to enable you to achieve what you want to, if you chose to.

    Not once have I stated this is exclusively for NSW. I am using NSW information to describe it. I have confirmed through members of fire services that Pumpers do carry Hazmat gear in numerous states yet the argument still remains only NSW does it. This argument that only NSW has it or only a few states have it stupid. No where does it say you must build what is been given. If we are sitting here and playing it like this then why was Wildland added in the US. Not every dept and state does it so why add it. Or why is Ambulance Rescue in the game. If you don't want to add just say it, not given a stupid excuse.

  • Some other logistics vehicles that were sent to Echuca /Moama during the floods this year

    Yep. They exist. And after 1 message from a CFS member I was able to find out that majority of brigades in the CFS and all District offices have logistics vehicles so this only 2 brigade have them comment is so un true. But what would we know as members of these various emergency services in the country.

  • Yep. They exist. And after 1 message from a CFS member I was able to find out that majority of brigades in the CFS and all District offices have logistics vehicles so this only 2 brigade have them comment is so un true. But what would we know as members of these various emergency services in the country.

    I would say that you are going to be pushing the brown stuff up hill with a fork trying to push ya logistics trucks through,It is about Majority, not loud Minority It also a computer game not real life,

  • I would say that you are going to be pushing the brown stuff up hill with a fork trying to push ya logistics trucks through,It is about Majority, not loud Minority It also a computer game not real life,

    Not asking to have it rushed through. Things take time and we are getting some amazing content at the moment. But to sit here and be told lies is not on. I am not going to sit here with false information being spread. If they don't want to add it that is fine, but excuses that don't make sense are ridiculous.

  • Not asking to have it rushed through. Things take time and we are getting some amazing content at the moment. But to sit here and be told lies is not on. I am not going to sit here with false information being spread. If they don't want to add it that is fine, but excuses that don't make sense are ridiculous.

    I think being told lies is a tad dramatic, unfortunately, not everyone knows everything like yourself, so may have got it wrong, I am guessing you are a passionate volunteer somewhere by the tone of your posts and the vast knowledge you present.

  • Not once have I stated this is exclusively for NSW. I am using NSW information to describe it. I have confirmed through members of fire services that Pumpers do carry Hazmat gear in numerous states yet the argument still remains only NSW does it. This argument that only NSW has it or only a few states have it stupid. No where does it say you must build what is been given. If we are sitting here and playing it like this then why was Wildland added in the US. Not every dept and state does it so why add it. Or why is Ambulance Rescue in the game. If you don't want to add just say it, not given a stupid excuse.

    To clarify, its only called wildland on the back end ( and ive attempted to get it fixed a couple of times but it doesn't affect the content as intended which is bushfire) they just used the same "confluence" when coding rather than reinvent the wheel. Similar was done with the VMR so we could get the content out quicker. ( There was a hold up with me trying to get hold of the right people to make sure we were as realistic as possible, but once i had a good grasp it was able to come to fruition very quickly)

    As for Ambulance Rescue i believe ( and i may be wrong) was that it was part of the first content and is similar across all platforms due to not having content advisors when the game was released.

    Please dont mistake me, you quite clearly stated NSW so i responded in that way specifically, but had you said say Broome in WA my answer would have been based on that area. We dont set out to "poo poo" everyone's ideas ( we get some great ideas), but some things do only apply to specific areas ( for example here in SA we do have an ambulance rescue of sorts its called the Special Operations Team or SOT for short, and our "paramedic superivisors" are incident controllers here but "we" are the odd ones out in this scenario - I just name mine accordingly, it doesnt affect my gameplay.

    Other things might require a whole rewrite on the back end or are just "no go zones" set by the developers ie death.

    and just so you know theres been a bit of a change in how missions ask for vehicles. ( you can see a detailed description here Subject Ejected from MVA)

    Once you have made the leap to get a specialised vehicle there's whats called an overlay that kicks in that requires you to use it. So saying its optional is great and it still can be ( by not getting it in any way shape or form) but once you do, you need to be all in.

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